tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post5632405872269188196..comments2022-03-27T03:13:17.517-06:00Comments on A Voice In The Desert: On Being Female....Jeannette Alteshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-29613883910035931612012-03-26T18:53:40.578-06:002012-03-26T18:53:40.578-06:00Carol, welcome!
You know, there were other women...Carol, welcome! <br /><br />You know, there were other women, but the messages were so conflicting and had to be filtered through the STRONG personality of my mother, who ran the house and decided what true and not....so she didn't really allow people to get to close to me.<br /><br />That story about Martha and Mary is one of my favorites, too. If it were not for Him holding on through all of it, keeping the connection personal, I would not have even servived.Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-8306096974039256692012-03-26T15:46:23.120-06:002012-03-26T15:46:23.120-06:00Thank you so much for sharing your story and your ...Thank you so much for sharing your story and your struggle in this. There is so much in this I resonate with, and so much that makes me grieve. I find myself wondering if there were any other women in your life - besides your mother and aunt - who might have modeled something different. I will always be grateful for the women God brought into my life in my late teens: one a very strong woman professor, head of her department, who was also a very strong Christian, strong leader, with a great sense of humor. Another was the female director of a Christian camp for girls. She had no interest in the "girls can't" line of reasoning. She let me lead a canoe trip and backpacking trip at the age of 20; at her camp, if women couldn't do it, it wasn't going to get done, so give it a try. Both gave me a vision of something strong, healthy, WHOLE, when what I'd been given up to then felt very hampered, half alive. <br />It's so sad to me that we still have leaders in our churches, and our families, who think it's okay to stunt women's feet, or squander women's gifts. I hold in my mind Jesus' response when Martha wanted Mary back in "girl land." If Mary wanted to sit, like a disciple, at his feet, she was welcome. And so are we.Carol Kuniholmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08879986784917679271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-46300692905480598102012-03-26T01:13:17.042-06:002012-03-26T01:13:17.042-06:00Hey, Sam. Thanks for stopping by. For some reason,...Hey, Sam. Thanks for stopping by. For some reason, blogger also put your comments in the spam folder. Sigh. I've learned to check there regularly.<br /><br />I do understand that the doctrine is bs. But growing up in it still inflicted damage. Grr.. :-)Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-57522607141797869902012-03-25T16:34:42.653-06:002012-03-25T16:34:42.653-06:00Jeanette - The previous comment is from Sam. You ...Jeanette - The previous comment is from Sam. You know me from Jeremy and Kathy's blogs. Blogger changed me to "anonymous".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-28871816769683603852012-03-25T16:32:16.810-06:002012-03-25T16:32:16.810-06:00Jeanette, Wow! The idea of women not being equal...Jeanette, Wow! The idea of women not being equal to men never entered my mind until my wife and I had been married many years and unknowlingly began attending a church that believed that hogwash. We stopped attending.<br /><br />The churches we both attended growing up never taught this stuff, nor did our families. My mother was a career professional. Both my parents worked and both were equal in our home. <br /><br />This "complementarian" stuff is obviously something some males just invented and try to base on the Bible, just like people try to find something in the Bible that supposedly supports all sorts of idiotic ideas. It is nonsense. I don't mind saying so, and add "I bet you find something in the Bible that agrees with everything you believe." (Not to you - To people who believe this stuff.)<br /><br />Probably the best thing we can do is ignore these people. They just love to get us to fuss with them so they can pull out Bible verses, theology books or whatever. I think Kathy would call that the "God card" or the "Bible card", as in "how can anyone argue with what God says?" What do you suppose the religious folks had to say about the status to which Jesus elevated women when He was here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-74862246925480132812012-03-25T02:03:06.004-06:002012-03-25T02:03:06.004-06:00Lori - welcome and thank you.Lori - welcome and thank you.Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-74406681694826379202012-03-24T21:37:01.494-06:002012-03-24T21:37:01.494-06:00I nodded thru your amazingly honest post. You are ...I nodded thru your amazingly honest post. You are not alone. I am proud to be a fellow woman with you. Thank you for pushing thru the anxiety to write this. It was a gift to read.lorinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-12632987415169197982012-03-23T15:39:52.738-06:002012-03-23T15:39:52.738-06:00Tim, thank you for the words of encouragement.Tim, thank you for the words of encouragement.Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-12937784951601436712012-03-23T11:21:34.043-06:002012-03-23T11:21:34.043-06:00Hi Jeannette-there's so much unfairness and in...Hi Jeannette-there's so much unfairness and injustice in the world, and even dwonright evil too. By standing up for other people, and by being sometimes radically honest, even if that upsets people at times, we move forward, as individuals and as groups of people. You need to speak about your experiences because it may help someone else going through the same things. God bless you in your journey, you do make a difference!T-Childshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14973808285834438472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-64615298917950545952012-03-21T15:52:37.257-06:002012-03-21T15:52:37.257-06:00Liz, thank you. I hope so, too. Sometimes, it'...Liz, thank you. I hope so, too. Sometimes, it's difficult to see that talking about is really impacting anyone. Sometimes, it take all the energy available just to find your voice.Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-4031766745507552932012-03-21T14:40:32.077-06:002012-03-21T14:40:32.077-06:00Jeannette - thank you for sharing your story and y...Jeannette - thank you for sharing your story and your journey as I think that one of the most powerful things we can do to transform the world we live in (in a good way) is to share our story with others and I think people's stories reveal so much to us about ourselves, life, God and the world we live in. I hope this is just the beginning and that you end up sharing your story with many more.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02460971267048638389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-3761881125615020732012-03-21T12:40:51.477-06:002012-03-21T12:40:51.477-06:00Tim and Jeremy-
Thank you. It means a lot to me th...Tim and Jeremy-<br />Thank you. It means a lot to me that you guys read and commented. I don't think most people really realize the effects of these gender messages.Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-23710703748076053722012-03-21T10:14:34.219-06:002012-03-21T10:14:34.219-06:00Wow. This post brought tears to my eyes. My wife e...Wow. This post brought tears to my eyes. My wife experienced some similar things as you did, and I see the pain it caused her. We are trying to do things differently with our three girls, but sometimes this world makes it so difficult. Thank you for bareing your heart and soul in this post!Jeremy Myershttp://www.tillhecomes.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-4463213887071265252012-03-21T08:17:03.986-06:002012-03-21T08:17:03.986-06:00Thanks just for being so honest. We men need to he...Thanks just for being so honest. We men need to hear this often, Christian men perhaps especially. I am a firm believer in equality and let's hope we can make strides towards that every day.T-Childshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14973808285834438472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-38504293856638041612012-03-21T06:16:45.432-06:002012-03-21T06:16:45.432-06:00Carrie, thanks! Like I said in the post, this was ...Carrie, thanks! Like I said in the post, this was a hard one to get out. I appreciate you taking the time to read and comment. :-)Jeannette Alteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574051760314762024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5729738823205484539.post-52405956221001994992012-03-21T06:04:26.868-06:002012-03-21T06:04:26.868-06:00Jeanette, I resonate with your story, I'm glad...Jeanette, I resonate with your story, I'm glad that you shared your vulnerability. I've been through a similar journey. Love that you're a Daughter of Heaven and discovering the joy, strength and dignity of that :)Carie G.http://cariesgarden.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com